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(forw) UNIX/Linux Management Opportunity - Google
by Rick Moen 24 Jun '06

24 Jun '06

----- Forwarded message from Amy Klein <aklein(a)google.com> ----- From: Amy Klein <aklein(a)google.com> To: balug-talk-owner(a)lists.balug.org Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:03:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Subject: UNIX/Linux Management Opportunity - Google Dear Moderator: My name is Amy and I'm part of the Leadership team at Google. I'm looking for highly technical Managers/Directors who are are very strong in C, C++, or Java, who also have a strong background in Linux/Unix, Networking, and Management. I recently found your Linux User Group site; I was wondering if you could post the below position to your mailing list for me? I have included the job description for your convenience. Thank you...I am trying to get the word out! The below position is located in the following cities: Mountain View, CA / Santa Monica, CA / Dublin, Ireland / Zurich, Switzerland . We provide extensive relocation benefits! And please don't hesitate to forward on my contact information to anyone who might be interested. Thank you in advance for your time. Sincerely, Amy - Google Talent Scout Leadership, Google.com Engineering 650-253-1840 <BLOCKED::mailto:aklein@google.com> aklein(a)google.com The group I'm supporting is Google.com Engineering. This multi-talented group of engineers and leaders are responsible for ensuring the quality, speed, and uptime of Google's services and tools and managing the production systems and network they run on. From code-level troubleshooting of traffic anomalies to maintenance of our most cutting edge services; from monitoring and alerts to building new automation infrastructure, our SRE engineers and leaders are in the thick of everything related to keeping Google.com running at peak. Interested parties can send an updated copy of their resume to: <BLOCKED::blocked::mailto:aklein@google.com> aklein(a)google.com and note the correct title and location. Engineering Manager/Director, Google.com We're looking for a highly technical, hands-on Software Engineering Managers/Directors to lead a team of Google software engineers and systems administrators for the Google.com group. The Google.com teams are directly responsible for Google's stellar uptime record, and act as the guardians and custodians of Google's user-visible services. In this leadership role, you will be responsible for ensuring that Google users can always reach and use all of the services under your team's care. Requirements: * Very high technical competence and strong academic record. * BA/BS in Computer Science preferred; MS/PhD a plus. * 3-10+ years of relevant experience managing software development teams * Excellent understanding of coding principles. * Strong understanding of UNIX/Linux. * 5+ years of relevant hands-on technical experience, and a record of individual technical achievement. * Deep understanding of networking; understanding of how to isolate, diagnose, and resolve service delivery components (service delivery components include servers, networks, and applications); be familiar with the functionality, operating, and failure modes of key networking devices (routers, switches, bridges, firewalls, hardware load balancers); be able to identify networking as the potential cause of a service issue using server-resident tools to generate this data (tcpdump, ping, traceroute, etc.); familiarity in interpreting the output of these tools; familiarity with common network topologies, protocols, and tools; have some notion of common network security exploits -- and their remedies; understanding of troubleshooting at the packet level. * Skilled in leading projects, especially in deploying live end-user systems. * That rare mix of intelligence, integrity, domain knowledge, verbal agility, and diplomacy which allows you to rapidly earn the trust of technically-astute teams across the company. ----- End forwarded message ----- Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:53:36 -0700 To: Amy Klein <aklein(a)google.com> Cc: balug-talk-owner(a)lists.balug.org Subject: Re: UNIX/Linux Management Opportunity - Google Quoting Amy Klein (aklein(a)google.com): > My name is Amy and I'm part of the Leadership team at Google. I'm > looking for highly technical Managers/Directors who are are very > strong in C, C++, or Java, who also have a strong background in > Linux/Unix, Networking, and Management. > > I recently found your Linux User Group site; I was wondering if you > could post the below position to your mailing list for me? I have > included the job description for your convenience. Thank you...I am > trying to get the word out! Hi, Amy! We're glad to hear from you, and I'm responding on behalf of the moderator team. BALUG's policy on that matter is shown on the list information page, http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org : Linux jobs postings are welcome from companies intending to give a technical presentation at an upcoming BALUG meeting. If we see a job-offer posting from you, we expect to see a talk proposal [link] around the same time. (Companies not prepared to speak may want to post elsewhere, such as SVLUG Jobs [link] or BayLISA Jobs [link].) If you can get the ball moving towards arranging a technical talk at one of BALUG's monthly meetings (Chinatown, San Francisco) from a Google representative, your jobs postings will be most welcome on balug-talk: You can just post them directly to balug-talk(a)lists.balug.org, and we'll approve them right away. We had to make that rule because, although BALUG provides an interested and sometimes sizeable audience in a pleasant environment, there has been a shortage of speakers, lately. Best Regards, Rick M.

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Re: [balug-admin] UNIX/Linux Management Opportunity - Google
by 'Rick Moen' 24 Jun '06

24 Jun '06

Quoting Amy Klein (aklein(a)google.com): > Hi Rick: > > Thank you for getting back to me! > > Question for you...How large in your group? > What type of topics are you looking to be presented? Hi, Amy. The group's attendence tends to vary a lot based on topic and (presumably) conflicting events. Meetings are held at the upstairs banquet room of a Chinatown restaurant (the Four Seas) that can accomodate several hundred people, and the speaker's presentation follows a banquet-style dinner. (The speaker eats courtesy of the audience, of course.) Typical BALUG meeting attendance is about 50 people -- sometimes more, sometimes fewer. The audience is predominantly technical, so the best sorts of presentations are likewise, e.g., presentations about aspects of Linux and open source at Google, or Chris di Bona doing his talk about the Summer of Code program, or Marc Merlin talking about Exim (both friends of mine <grin>). Odds are, if a topic would be interesting to Google's own engineers and sysadmins, it would be to BALUG's membership, too. I am not actually the person who handles speakers for BALUG, but I'll be forwarding our mail to the people who do (CC'd). Thank you for your interest in BALUG!

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Re: [balug-admin] Jobs postings have moved to balug-talk
by Rick Moen 17 Jun '06

17 Jun '06

[Hoping you don't mind my CCing back to balug-admin.] Quoting Larry Platzek (larryp(a)inow.com): > On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Rick Moen wrote: > > >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:38:13 -0700 > >From: Rick Moen <rick(a)linuxmafia.com> > >To: Larry Platzek <larryp(a)inow.com> > >Cc: balug-admin(a)lists.balug.org, Dick Verna <rverna01(a)gmail.com> > >Subject: Re: [balug-admin] Jobs postings have moved to balug-talk > > > >Quoting Larry Platzek (larryp(a)inow.com): > > > >>Dick Verna's and mine opion was/is that if a company wants to post job > >>opennings they should be willing to speak to the group (we are short of > >>speaker > >> for balug). > > > >An excellent idea. Should we make this official on the balug-talk > >listadmin page text? > > > I know I had asked someone to do that but it was not acted on, so please > do so. OK, I've so noted on the balug-talk listinfo page (http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org), sort of like this: Linux jobs postings are welcome from companies intending to give a technical presentation at an upcoming BALUG meeting. If we see a job-offer posting from you, we expect to see a talk proposal [link] around the same time. (Companies not prepared to speak may want to post elsewhere, such as SVLUG Jobs [link] or BayLISA Jobs [link]. Please let me know if I got that wrong, and I'll be glad to fix.

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Re: [balug-admin] balug mailing list management
by Michael Paoli 17 Jun '06

17 Jun '06

Yes, that's a reasonable approximation of what I said. Thanks, ... got 'em now. references/excerpts (redacted): Quoting X-Caliber <xcaliber(a)xav.to>: > Larry Platzek wrote: > > I think I read recently Michael Paoli say we would keep moderator > > approvial requests under control if he was given the password, > > if that is true I thank him and will let him do it. > > I have been moving a lot of things around and can not find the "paswords" > > I can logon the balug site from one computer only and have administrative > > priviledges, I need someone to give me the passwords, this can wait untill > > the balug June meeting without be too harmful. > > I have been looking for the password and know someone needa to attend to > > the duties, so this is why I am posting this email. > > Admin: <redacted> > Moderator: <redacted> http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2006-June/000179.html

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Ugh! ... the announce list is NOT FOR JOB POSTINGS!!!
by Michael Paoli 16 Jun '06

16 Jun '06

Ugh! ... the announce list is NOT FOR JOB POSTINGS!!! This is the kind of stuff that makes me (and others) want to unsubscribe. It's *not* what the "announce" list is for, nor is is what most would want or expect it to be for. The list is supposed to be *low volume* (e.g. one to a few mailings per month) and on-topic (rather to highly relevant to BALUG). E.g., when folks sign up for a list, expecting it to be more-or-less one thing, and find it's quite something else, they tend to unsubscribe (e.g. when a PICNIX *announce* list got subverted/diverted into an sbay.org flamewar/argument/gripe list, I quickly unsubscribed). Job announcements aren't suitable for the balug-announce list - keep 'em off there! Only the "talk" list *may* be considered *possibly* appropriate for such. references: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2006-February/000123… http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2005-March/003164.html No no no!!!: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2006-June/000064.… http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2006-June/000065.… http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2006-June/000066.… et. seq. (I got 7 of these darn things today from balug-announce!)

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balug mailing list management
by Larry Platzek 16 Jun '06

16 Jun '06

I think I read recently Michael Paoli say we would keep moderator approvial requests under control if he was given the password, if that is true I thank him and will let him do it. I have been moving a lot of things around and can not find the "paswords" I can logon the balug site from one computer only and have administrative priviledges, I need someone to give me the passwords, this can wait untill the balug June meeting without be too harmful. Michael: I hope I remembered correctly that you said would take care mailing list requests. If so contact Rick Moem or Xavier for password needed. I have been looking for the password and know someone needa to attend to the duties, so this is why I am posting this email. Larry Platzek larryp(a)inow.com

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Jobs postings have moved to balug-talk
by Rick Moen 15 Jun '06

15 Jun '06

Exactly as I predicted, the jobs postings moved from one list to the other. At least that gets them off balug-announce -- but that leaves the question of whether we're OK with them landing on balug-talk. (My personal opinion is "No" -- and that, instead, we should have a Web page listing suggested places for job-seekers.) The default of no action will equate to "It's fine." FYI. ----- Forwarded message from Blair Mandell <bmandell(a)availigent.com> ----- From: Blair Mandell <bmandell(a)availigent.com> To: balug-talk(a)lists.balug.org Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:23:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Subject: [balug-talk] Linux Kernel Engineer (Checkpointing) Fulltime position in San Jose - Direct Hire Availigent is the leading provider of affordable, transparent and automatic high availability for Linux-based enterprise applications, giving companies peace of mind during planned and unplanned downtimes. We are specifically looking for a Linux Kernel S/W Developer to design, develop and maintain Availigent's Checkpointer, a kernel level technology that keeps track of the application's state. You will be responsible for architecture, design, implementation, code review, documentation and testing. This is a full time position w/benefits in San Jose, CA. Send a resume to: Blair Availigent Email: bmandell AT availigent.com ============================================================= Responsibilities: * Design, develop and maintain Availigent's Checkpointer, a kernel level technology that keeps track of the application's state. * Architecture, design, implementation, code review, documentation and testing. * Working as a member of the engineering team. Skills/Experience: * Experience in C programming * Expertise in distributed, multi-process, and multi-threaded programming in a Linux environment. * Experience in high-availability and fault-tolerance technologies, such as checkpointing, fault detection and recovery, and event notification is highly desirable. * A track record of designing, developing and releasing quality commercial enterprise software on time and to specification. * Excellent troubleshooting and debugging skills. If you are interested send your resume to me at: bmandell(a)availigent.com Other openings: http://www.availigent.com/company_jobs.shtml _______________________________________________ balug-talk mailing list balug-talk(a)lists.balug.org http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org ----- End forwarded message -----

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Jobs Policy
by Rick Moen 14 Jun '06

14 Jun '06

Just to remind y'all, I raised a couple of questions, in part by taking semi-unilateral action: o What policy should balug-announce have? I established a fait accompli by putting text on the listinfo page: It says "Announcements for and by BALUG", and tells people where to send non-BALUG announcements for consideration. o What policy should balug-talk have? In particular, does it need a jobs policy? I stuck to description, on the listinfo page, except to advise people to also join balug-announce to get meeting announcements. Default outcome will undoubtedly be for employers & recruiters to switch to balug-talk. Some will join first; their posts will go straight through. Many, including a lot of professional recruiters, tend to mass-blitz mailing lists "from orbit"; those posts will get held as non-subscriber postings for listadmin approval. At which point, it'd be a good thing for listadmins to have worked out a policy. Are we OK with jobs posts on balug-talk? If so, are we also OK with postings from "drive by" people who can't be bothered to subscribe first? I'm aware the above wording is loaded, and will confess that I'd prefer to politely refer all jobs-offered postings to elsewhere, such as the SVLUG, Bay Area FreeBSD User Group, and BayLISA Jobs mailing lists. But I'll be glad to implement whatever policy the other listadmins want. (Michael Paoli mentioned, in March 2005, the option of it being OK to post _as a subscriber_ about tips / inside tracks you have on particular jobs, as distnct from the usual generic and impersonal ads.) Which was another question I have: Who are our listadmins? I've sent RSVP request mail to balugadmin(a)balug.org and balugadmin-talk(a)xav.to, to find out, but please speak up if you know. Judging by early posts to this list, possibles include: Michael Hubbard, our "angel" who foots our bill at Dreamhost. Thanks! I'm guessing Michael is "balugadmin(a)balug.org"? Larry Platzek Dick Verna Jerry McGovern "Xavier" (who I just noticed is the balug-talk(a)xav.to guy) I believe Xavier and Larry are active keeping the Web site updated and healthy.

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June meeting announcement
by Larry Platzek 14 Jun '06

14 Jun '06

Hi all Whould someone like to post who speaker and topic for the June 2006 meeting? This should go out about one week before meeting. I have been up since about 05:00 Monday and will be doing same today Tuesday. It has been very busy for me and will be for a while longer. Hope we will have a good meeting! Hi Ann, how is the speaker lining up for July and beyond? Larry Platzek larryp(a)inow.com

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FYI: Mailman config summary for our three lists
by Rick Moen 14 Jun '06

14 Jun '06

(Larry, please note apology near bottom for a huge factual error I recently made, here, about balug-announce. Sorry!) A couple of months ago, Larry was kind enough to give me the changed administrative password -- which he said had to be changed because one of the listadmins inadvertantly revealed the old one on one of the public lists. So, as mentioned, I am (once again) physically _able_ to tweak any of the settings -- but would not do so except in close consultation with other listadmins. That same access also lets me _view_ the current settings. (Unfortunately, there's no Mailman administration "view" right grantable separately from the "edit" one.) So, for the sake of collective knowledge, here's how they're currently set up: balug-admin-balug.org (this list) --------------------- Administrative e-mail addresses: balugadmin(a)balug.org, balugadmin-admin(a)xav.to Explanation: These are the people who'll receive "Administer me!" nagmails from Mailman, e.g., when a posting is held for listadmin approval. Analysis: 1. Note that this roster is entirely distinct from the set of people possessing the listadmin password. A person might be in one group only, the other group only, or both. (Being in the roster of people who get nagmail but lacking access to act on it really sucks; that's the situation I've been in since early 2005 on several SVLUG lists.) 2. I'm not sure it's a good idea to list "role" e-mail addresses here, since it obscures who's involved in list administration. E.g., I really have no idea who other than Larry is looking after our lists, and this roster gives me no clues. A terse phrase identifying this list: [null] Analysis: Bad. We really should have a list description. An introductory description - a few paragraphs - about the list. It will be included, as html, at the top of the listinfo page: [null] Analysis: Bad. We really should have a descriptive paragraph. Where are replies to list messages directed: Poster Explanation: I.e., we aren't doing Reply-To munging. Send monthly password reminders: No. Analysis: Doesn't really matter much; many people dislike the periodic reminders, or raise time-wasting fusses over their supposedly "bad security", so maybe this is just as well. Subscribers who _want_ a password reminder can trigger one manually at any time. List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message: [null] Analysis: Not a complaint, but this is a missed opportunity to say something non-generic to new arrivals. Check postings and intercept ones that seem to be administrative requests: No. Explanation: Messages that seem to say only "subscribe", "unsubscribe", etc. would be held for listadmin scrutiny rather than sent directly out to the membership. Analysis: In my view, this Mailman feature works amazingly well and should _always_ be left on absent a very strong reason otherwise. Maximum length in kilobytes (KB) of a message body: 40kb Discard held messages older than this number of days. Use 0 for no automatic discarding: 0 Analysis: Since 99% of held messages are spam, I'd say "3". Languages supported by this list: English-USA (only) Analysis: Since you can offer the other 29 languages too, without any disadvantages, why not? (It's obviously not a problem, though.) How big in Kb should a digest be before it gets sent out: 30 Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold isn't reached: Yes. Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine: Yes Analysis: Normally, this would mean you could browse at the top of the Mailman HTML tree, to see what lists are on the hosts, and find this one described there, but Dreamhost's rather odd configuration makes http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/ entirely uninformative. So, the main entry point to the three lists is the explicit hyperlinks to their individual listinfo pages on BALUG's Web pages. Who can view subscription list: List members. Explanation: Can be set to Anyone, List members, or List admin only. Show member addresses so they're not directly recognizable as email addresses: Yes. Analysis: I personally like these two settings for most lists, as they nicely balances openness with a little bit of privacy protection. People wanting more can set a per-subscription option to "hide" their presence on the membership roster from everyone except listadmins. Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined: Hold Analysis: This catches and holds legitimate posts from non-member addresses (which can then be added to an approved roster for subsequent postings, at the time an admin clears the posting). However, mostly, it catches and holds spam, which for practical purposes can be otherwise controlled (prevented, rejected) only earlier, at the MTA. Since BALUG cannot administer the MTA (only Dreamhost can), this probably means a boatload of spam ever day to whoever is reading mail at balugadmin(a)balug.org and balugadmin-admin(a)xav.to. Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below): Yes. Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list: balug-admin(a)lists.balug.org, balug-admin(a)balug.org, balug-admin-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org Analysis: 1. You can thank whatever thoughtful person expanded that alias list for your ability to use reasonable names, and not just the rather over-elaborate _main_ name. 2. However, I believe the first entry's redundant, being the main, official name and thus automatically honoured. Ceiling on acceptable number of recipients for a posting: 10 Analysis: This blocks some spam from the dumber spammers, plus hideously excessive crossposts. One might reduce it to 5 without problems. Is archive file source for public or private archival: Public Analysis: Again, in my view, best unless you have a _real_ need for secrecy and don't mind discouraging new participants. How often should a new archive volume be started? Monthly. Analysis: With this low traffic, I'd have picked quarterly, myself. balug-talk-balug.org -------------------- (Options and comments same as before, except as noted.) List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted: rick(a)linuxmafia.com, larry.platzek(a)gmail.com, rms(a)gnu.org Analysis: 1. This is redundant but harmless if the address _is_ subscribed, which mine (rick(a)linuxmafia.com) is -- so I'm removing it. Still, the thought's appreciated. 2. FYI, this roster is where addresses get autoadded to, when a listadmin approves a held post from a non-subscribed address _and_ also checks the nearby checkbox to allow postings from this address in the future. List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded: service(a)amazon.com, morinokumasan66(a)ocn.ne.jp Analysis: (Not a complaint, just an observation) This reflects listadmin action against a spammer, i.e., a checkbox similar to the one noted above, but to _discard_ all future postings arriving from this address. One should be careful about being fooled by forged headers, though. Also, there's really not a lot of point individually blocking sender usernames like "morinokumasan66" that are probably script-generated by the millions. balug-announce-balug.org ------------------------ (Options and comments same as before, except as noted.) By default, should new list member postings be moderated? Yes. Analysis: OOPS! I've made a huge error in my earlier post: The "announce" mailing list _is_ set as moderated. Larry, my apologies -- and I now dimly recall that this matter has come up before. Sorry, I'm on so many mailing lists, I can't always keep them stright. Anyhow, for the record, only the subscribed addresses of Larry, Art Tyde, and David Sifry are set so they can post without being held for listadmin scrutiny (no moderated flag). List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded: zonal_info1(a)yahoo.co.uk, eqhla.eqhla(a)aucma.com.cn, fred(a)ugramail.ru

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